Curse

tealspikes · Nov 28, 2011, 06:42 AM // 06:42

I disagree. Skills that simultaneously grant IMS and IAS should not be viable at all. Just because it won't be 100% maintainable without extend enchantments doesn't mean it isn't broken. Even Flail and Frenzy (being played correctly) are not up 100% of the time, yet they are still quite powerful without IMS and with their respective drawbacks.

fowlero · Nov 28, 2011, 04:28 PM // 16:28

Possibly, but once it's only up 6 of 10 seconds that's a pretty severe hit, maybe knock a second off each duration.

Being that they're pretty squishie i don't think they'd need much more adjustment even though combined IAS IMS is retarded, adrenaline gain should be removed imo.

The bigger problem for me then is crippling victory inflicting cripple even if it misses and unblockable twin moon.

Terrible Surgeon · Nov 29, 2011, 05:33 AM // 05:33

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

What on earth makes you think that?
These two skills don't operate in a vacuum you know.

It is a comparison of the two primary damage pumping classes. The skills are very similar. One was nerfed to hell the other buffed. Balance means enabling classes to compete with each other. Nerfing one and buffing another is not balance...

Xenomortis · Nov 29, 2011, 10:42 AM // 10:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terrible Surgeon

It is a comparison of the two primary damage pumping classes. The skills are very similar. One was nerfed to hell the other buffed. Balance means enabling classes to compete with each other. Nerfing one and buffing another is not balance...

That's a very primitive definition of balanced and not in any way useful.

Primal Rage didn't really do much to increase the raw power of Warriors; as far as I know, it made 321-spike calling easier and gave an energy based IMS as well as doing the job of Frenzy. I guess landing Bull's was easier too.
The changes occured at different periods in the game; you can't really compare skills over those time periods.

There is however, a very big difference between Onslaught and Primal Rage that you have overlooked: PR has a risk-reward aspect to it, Onslaught is just a 'use on recharge for reward' skill.

Terrible Surgeon · Nov 30, 2011, 05:27 AM // 05:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xenomortis

That's a very primitive definition of balanced and not in any way useful.

Primal Rage didn't really do much to increase the raw power of Warriors; as far as I know, it made 321-spike calling easier and gave an energy based IMS as well as doing the job of Frenzy. I guess landing Bull's was easier too.
The changes occured at different periods in the game; you can't really compare skills over those time periods.

There is however, a very big difference between Onslaught and Primal Rage that you have overlooked: PR has a risk-reward aspect to it, Onslaught is just a 'use on recharge for reward' skill.

read the thread...i mentioned the risk of PR. Thanks

Elnino · Nov 30, 2011, 08:57 AM // 08:57

Buffing Primal Rage would do nothing anyway....
Dervs would still be better than warriors.

Leave warriors alone.